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Going to the track to baseline the LS1... predictions anyone
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:33 pm    Post subject: Going to the track to baseline the LS1... predictions anyone Reply with quote

I'm planning on heading up to NED tomorrow night with the 02 camaro.

The car is essentially stock. I have two mods done to it, Fast Toys Ram Air and an air lid that's it. Stock converter with 2.73 gears, stock exhaust (manifolds & cats). The runs will be on stock radial tires.

Predictions anyone?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do they run in stock trim? Low 13's? What kind of MPH is expected?
Usually this early in the season traction is not at a premium at NED. Good Luck.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeep_406 wrote:
What do they run in stock trim? Low 13's? What kind of MPH is expected?
Usually this early in the season traction is not at a premium at NED. Good Luck.


The air should be good but the traction probably will be poor. My guess is 13.6 @ 104.

Do you think the scales will be open? Do they post the weather conditions anywhere at the track?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

13.8x at 107mph.
Those highway gears are gonna make you snooze to the 330' mark, then youll be off like the Road Runner (beep beep!)
This is a auto right?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2x4 wrote:
13.8x at 107mph.
Those highway gears are gonna make you snooze to the 330' mark, then youll be off like the Road Runner (beep beep!)
This is a auto right?

Yes auto with stock converter.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're probably getting ready to make your first pass but I just went on line. I would doubt the scales are open.
They might have the weather conditions in the tower. If the Pasta Brothers are up there, if they haven't got a weather station they would know who does.
I was planning to go up to see you run but something came up.
Please post how you did.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did pretty bad. The track was like a skating rink.

1st Run I spun almost to half track.
Code:

60'       2.489
330'    6.276
1/8      9.285
MPH     82.84
1000'   11.812
1/4      13.953
MPH     104.47


2nd run. Left the line at 1000 rpm and didn't punch it and still spun. The car hooked up a little better down the track I'd say past about 200'

Code:

60'       2.531
330'     6.274
1/8      9.230
MPH     84.21
1000'   11.725
1/4      13.846
MPH     105.42


I was able to data log one pass. I haven't had time to look at the data though.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won! I won! Wink
She just formally asked you for those gears & traction devices. If I were you, I wouldnt mod th engine one bit more & start at the rear of the car with mods. Youve got a whole second hiding in there somewhere.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure the ET is disappointing but the MPH looks promising. Cut half a day/second off the 60 foot and you're flirting with the high 12's.
Did they treat the track at all?
What's a good short time for a stock 02?
Was the weigh station open?
Were you able to get weather info?
How crowded was it?
When I raced at night, I'd get there very early, get through tech and be in staging as soon as possible. That way I could get in a couple of quick runs before it slows to a crawl.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i bet i know where the whole other second is LOL spinning down the track!! LOL i know some is good but damn i figured you would have a better 60' than that!!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those were 100% street tires your running on too, probably knock .2 off your 60' by just running on the bare rims Wink

Thats always amazed me how a street tire wont hook for snot at a hot, sticky prepped racetrack. I took the stock 91Z out and never had a hint of any traction. This poor thing couldnt spin its tires on ice, but at the track it though it was a top fueler!

Dont worry Smoke, we know your going to pick up the "daily driver" a lot. I estimate youll be low 12's by the end of the summer with no massive mods.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure how to approach this car because it is a daily driver. I like my 23 mpg's quiet cruising and great street manners. The problem lies in good street manners and traction usually don't mix.

I honestly think the car has a high 12 in it without any power mods. A little tuning, some traction, and I'm there.

The rear tires are spent and I'm going to order a set of Nitto drag radials. Tubular lower control arms are also on my short list along with a beefier torque arm. I've been seriously looking at a converter but I haven't decided on that yet. I know I'll loose a good amount of mpg's with a converter.

Jeep... I don't think they treated the track. My RT on the first run was over a second and I think most of that was the car didn't move when I hit it.

stock 02's with decent drag radials are sub 2.0's

the weigh station was closed. Sad

No I didn't get any weather info.

The track was mobbed.

I was hoping to get there early but traffic sucked. I left a bit late due to work (they just don't understand) and it took me two hours in traffic to get there.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well smoke you need to consider that my best friend/mechanic drives his S15 daily with a 350 14:1 compression and ford 8" rear end with locker!!
but his truck is not for those with weak hearts!! that truck has a serious attitude! just driving along once it got completely sideways!! So "Daily Drivers" are all about what you are willing to drive with under the hood and how much attention you are willing to accept from the local Police!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The goal for the car is low to mid 11's NA and still get 20 mpg's.

The problem is I don't think I have enough money to make it happen. Burn Out
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that shouldnt be too hard gearing is everything once the motor is right! you still got the heavy drive shaft in there? an aluminum one saves weight and is supposed to be better. have you changed the throttle body yet? I know you can on mustangs and pick up some extra hp and torque. for pretty cheap! and injectors should get changed to some that pump in just a bit more. and electric water pump!!! weight and hp savings there too LOL
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