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THE KILLER DOWEL PIN!!!

 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:57 pm    Post subject: THE KILLER DOWEL PIN!!! Reply with quote

I know it is not the right place but the case is being replaced as we speak from the dreaded dowel pin that found home outside the timing case.... See you in a few hours!! Or days!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh NO! What is a timing case?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be days...... The case is behind the cover and mounts the injection pump and power steering/ brake pump. Trying to figure a good way to pull 2 gears without damage................................
One (Cam) will need a 3 leg puller. Someone said use a torch to heat!!!

So still looking at options.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

af2 wrote:
It will be days...... The case is behind the cover and mounts the injection pump and power steering/ brake pump. Trying to figure a good way to pull 2 gears without damage................................
One (Cam) will need a 3 leg puller. Someone said use a torch to heat!!!

So still looking at options.


sounds like a Cummins headache. have you checked for someone that will loan or rent you the specialty tools to pull the gears ?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I just need the puller for the cam gear. No torch is going there.
The pump gear had two threaded holes for a puller and I got the best grade METRIC bolts the store had at 8.8...

Deer/Bear hunting sucked today by the way!!! Surprised
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats only grade 5.

beer hunting went very well here Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10sec.et wrote:
thats only grade 5.

beer hunting went very well here Wink


Thanks Keith. Beer hunting went well after I got home to watch the Houston game.. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the 12.2 ? grade 8? Been so long I forget. I am in no hurry at this point ! Evil or Very Mad

My neighbors probably think I am a tweeker!! Laughing

I do have the Willys in a Shelter Logic on top of the the 1500 square feet of NEW concrete that was poured 2 weeks ago..
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10.9 is the grade 8 equivalent.

whats a Shelter Logic ?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



10.9 it will be Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought 12.9's were equivalent to grade 8. I tried looking it up and it appears that some say 10.9 is, some say 12.9 so who knows. Most of the time if you get any socket head cap screw, they will be 12.9. You need some black marks on that fresh concrete Laughing ! Clay
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

clay wrote:
I always thought 12.9's were equivalent to grade 8. I tried looking it up and it appears that some say 10.9 is, some say 12.9 so who knows. Most of the time if you get any socket head cap screw, they will be 12.9. You need some black marks on that fresh concrete Laughing ! Clay


That pic was from their web.
I need to wait until spring to let it loose on the new pad. Can't wait...
Now the water has to be drained or I will have no engine which might be a good thing because it never really ran like I thought it should....
Might put a Ford 5.0 because everyone is running 9's in a fox body!!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Might put a Ford 5.0 because everyone is running 9's in a fox body!!


Be sure you put on some underdrive pulleys and a K & N filter Laughing . Those are good for about at least 2 seconds off the e.t. Rolling Eyes - how many times have I heard "If I could just get it to hook I think I could run 11's or even 10's - from a stock 5.0 (old 302) with basic bolt ons. Clay

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

got the bolt info from McMasterCarr. i dont really know what the 12.9 is supposed to be. some special alloy, i assume. like specialty fasteners for head bolts and harmonic balancers.

Nitrous Adam, lots of nitrous.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a book that came with my Matco torque wrench named Tips on Torque. It has all types listed in 3 charts. I use it quite often when I am working on a car without the service manual for bolts that I need a torque spec for. Here is what it says

US Standard
Grade S.A.E
1&2 64000psi
5 105000psi
6 133000psi
8 150000psi

Whitworth Standard
Marked bolt head
A&B 62720psi
S 112000psi
T 123200psi
V 145600psi

Metric Standard
5D 71160psi
8G 113800psi
10k 142000psi
12k 170674psi

So looking at it 10k is slightly less than grade 8 but better than 6 and 12k is better than grade8.

Simple huh?

Paul

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