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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adjustable frequency machineces also allow for you to strike an arc easier which is important when doing production work for a living. We used them on our lines for that reason when welding thin gage stainless. Never had any blow through that could ruin a piece except during labor negotiations.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still looking for a welder and I came across this Thermal Arc Fabricator 181i Mig, Stick and (Tig w/option). I haven't heard of this brand, anyone heard good or bad about them?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard of the brand, but they do use name brand accessories. There isn't much way you could get that capability any cheaper. Plenty of amperage on the MIG (we have a Miller 185 and have never used the highest setting). The TIG capability is nothing special as they are just using it as a power supply with no high frequency capability it appears but still a very handy option for smaller detail work. I also like having the stick capability for when you have something that has to be there. I always trust stick much more for high strength. The stick also gives you options for welding cast iron, hard facing, etc. that the MIG doesn't have. Clay
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

only thing i can add is that if youre going to get a TIG machine, get a Miller. nothing else welds as nice period.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did some searching on the web and found out some more on this machine. People are saying the stick & MIG capabilities are good but the TIG isn't. Therefore I'm probably going to go with a straight MIG machine. So which one?

Hobart 180 - $699
Hobart 210 - $899
Lincoln 180 - $717
Miller 180 - $836
Miller 211 - $1,005

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for MIG work at home, im happy with my Lincoln. 180 amps is all you will need unless you start ship building. nothing on a car will need more amps than that. that being said, i think i would go with the Lincoln. the Miller may produce nicer welds but, honestly, its just a MIG. i dont consider the Hobart because ive never welded with one.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used Miller and Hobart machines. The Hobart's I have used are the smaller 110 machines - the Handler 135 I believe. They are several in the maintenance shops at work. They work well as long as you know the capabilities of the smaller machine. The fab/welding shop uses Miller's - not sure of the amperage - maybe a 250 or so. Neither have had any problems and both work well so to me either would be fine. I haven't used any of the other brands. Clay
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting read I found on the Thermal Arc 181i on Welding Web. Now I'm re-considering the Thermal Arc. One of my issues is made in china. I'm trying to be a good guy, support our economy, and buy "made in usa" products.

I've never TIG welded before but would like to learn.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NO!!!
Next?

Go with the Lincoln or Miller and please don't even consider the rest!
Hobart? maybe.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

af2 wrote:
NO!!!
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Go with the Lincoln or Miller and please don't even consider the rest!
Hobart? maybe.


X2...............MILLION!!!!

unless you can pick it up for $100 and you KNOW it works, everything else is a waste of time. it wont break down on you sitting in the corner, its in the middle of a project that it fails.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heres an aluminum weld i just did with my Lincoln WeldPak 175 using a cheap Lincoln spool gun....







it was a bit sooty so i had to brush it.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can always stop by and test for yourself my Lincoln Power Mig 180C.... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lincoln 180 is made in Mexico and therefore off my list. I'm leaning towards the Hobart 210 MVP. I like the idea of multi voltage, 115 and 230. Primarily I'll use it with 230 but if I had to take it somewhere the 115 might be handy. Plus I was looking at my tractor the other day and some of the steel is pretty thick. So I'm thinking if the extra power might come in handy some day.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tractors are where the stick welding comes in for me. Pretty much anything over 3/16" or so gets stick. If it's a good joint with a lot of weld length then I'll do 1/4" but that's about as far as I push MIG. Clay
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bought mine July of 2007. I looked all over the machine except the bottom because it is bolted to the cart and in the manuals I can't see where it is made. Good quality ISO 9001 standards cert.
Made in Mexico should not be the reason to skip them. Most of the American cars are put together with Made in China parts sadly. Personal recommendations for Lincoln are what I would use to make your decision nothing else.

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