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10sec.et
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn Paul Shocked thats gotta suck. i would be willing to bet the belt damage is a result not the cause. i did a search on YB and the only issue with the Jesel Belt Drive that came up was this .....http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187476&highlight=jesel+belt+drive.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it does suck but the run just before this did leave a smile on my face because it hooked and pulled the front end up like never before.

I will have to check it out when I pull it apart. Strange that just idling down the return road after the run almost a half mile then squeak squeak squeak shut down. No warning or noise from it before that.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i assume you belt drive is adjustable?
did you advance it?
p to v clearance too close???

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No just dialed in the cam as noted by the cam manufacturer.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesel called and when I pull it apart they want me to send the belt and gears if damaged back to take a look. Very responsive and friendly to work with TOP NOTCH COMPANY. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Af2 - more power always helps. You know if you put a fogger style nitrous system on it you can help that little manifold distribution problem by jetting the nozzles differently Twisted Evil . I think everybody here has fought that double bounce at one time or another. Does your son think it's easy to go in a straight line or did it kinda open his eyes?

Paul - OUCH - that sucks. Do you think it could have been debris from the track that went through the belt - maybe kicked up a rock on the return road???? I'm kind of like 10sec.et - I can't think of ever reading about a problem with them. I am glad to hear they are interested though - even if it isn't a problem on their end - you still need to know. Clay

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

clay wrote:

Paul - OUCH - that sucks. Do you think it could have been debris from the track that went through the belt - maybe kicked up a rock on the return road???? I'm kind of like 10sec.et - I can't think of ever reading about a problem with them. I am glad to hear they are interested though - even if it isn't a problem on their end - you still need to know. Clay


Clay-
That might have happened but nothing is certain until I pull the motor and take it apart. Like Ray at Jesel said the belt is the least of my problems at the moment. But that being said he did want it back to take a look at it. It did seem to me that running for 2-3 seconds with that squeal then a shutdown would indicate something with the belt happened first. If it was defective he wants to know what went wrong. He thought that the glass in the belt might have an issue. Sometimes if the belt has sat around for a while he has seen issues with that just in his office. My belt did sit for at least 6 months but in the not in sunlight. Just have to take a look there are teeth bunched up under the belt.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul, that is not good! The way the belt looks on the pic it stripped the inside shell.

I have some exhaust Ferrea Comp+ valves if the # is what you need.
I hope for the best!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

copy and paste Adam Wink


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hadn't checked in for awhile. What a bummer, Paul. Good thing it didn't fail during the pass.

Adam, Thanks for the video. That's a nice looking car.

I'm planning on heading up to NED this Saturday with the Nova.

I ran Duddy Lord's 41 Ford last Sunday. It was really crowded. We ran 1/4 mile but I only got in 3 passes all day. The 41 has a ZZ4 engine with a Turbo 350 and 3.73 gears in a 9 inch rear. Car really need a little more cam and a looser converter. I had to leave at 1200rpm or the car would push through the lights. It's just a nice little street car. Ran high 13's at a little over 97 MPH. The gentleman that owns the car is Blind. Hasn't been able to drive for 30 years but he's an old time hot rodder so I thought it was important to get his car down the track for him. He usually brings it to the Nostalgia Events.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeep,
I never saw you I was there. I was also sitting on the starting line during the rain delay. Once it was dry is when I made my last pass. Surprised I did not see you. I did look for you but was not sure what that car looked like and where you were parked. The area just behind tech was packed.
Paul

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was 2 cars away from the water box in the right lane when the rains came. I brought the car back to the pits and then got in line again after they dried the track. I was driving a blue 41 Ford 2 door sedan with purple steel wheels. Boy the car could use some new wheels but the owner likes it the way it is. I was pitted beside a medium blue 84 Olds Cutlass.
I'm thinking of going up Saturday with the Nova. Forecast calls for windy conditions. Usually a cross wind. Sometimes get a little movement on the top end.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, we finally made it out. i didnt drive and its a good thing because the track was slick as hell out past the 330. he let his son-in-law make the last pass and almost put the car in the wall just past the stripe. we found a small water leak when we got back to the pits so that probably had a bit to do with it. a fine water mist on top of an oiled down track from the rice junk makes for an interesting ride. i got a little bit of video from one pass. the car was running 8.0x with 1.7x 60' times launching it at 3000 on the brake. i finally talked him into footbraking and launching at around 1100 rpm. the car went 7.66 with a 1.66 60'.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tore down the motor. Looks like belt failure to me. Bent all the intakes and a few exhaust valves. Some kiss marks on the pistons but minimal damage otherwise. I have to check the push rods but the appear to be straight. To be honest not too bad and could have happened at a worse time like at WOT 100+ mph so I consider myself lucky.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul P wrote:
Bent all the intakes


Ouch! l Wish the best!!! Intake means belt broke!
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