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William Jones
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: 363 Bracket motor (302 Base) Reply with quote

Well after to split 5.0 blocks we are building a new bullet for the 66 mustang coupe that is one of our shop cars. Hoping for some low low 10's out of this N/A we also have a NX stage 6 plate system for it.

66 coupe race wt 2980
Godley C-4 with Transbrake
Transmission speacialties 4000 stall (changing to a 5500 stall after a few months)
9" 4.33 gear spool 35 spline axles
Cal Tracs bars and split mono leaf springs rancho adj shocks
Moroso trick springs in front
8pt cage frame connectors
28X9 M/T slick

Dart SHP 8.2 deck 4.125 bore
Diamond pistons 9.1cc dome
scat 5.4 Hbeam rods
Scat 4340 3.400 stroke crank 28oz
ATI balancer
Total seal rings gapless
Clevelite bearings
Comp billet timing set
Canton front sump pan
Meiling HV pump
Comp solid roller .703 int .703 exh .020 lash 105 lobe center .264 in .272 exh @.050
Comp Hi Tech stainless roller rocker 1.7
Comp stud girdle
Comp solid roller lifters
RHS 215's 2.08 int 1.60 exh Ported and setup by Ceasar from SAM school Flow 335 at .700 and they are 219 cc now 62cc chambers
Super victor intake match ported
Fel Pro MLS head gaskets
Headman 1 3/4 longtube
NX stage 6 plate system
MSD Pro billet distributer
Crane HI6 box
Pro systems 890 cfm carb

We should have this thing running by the begining/middle of Sept if all goes well. Still need to order the lifters and push rods we have everything else. This should be a fun car I will keep you guys up dated. This is one of 3 motors we are putting together in the next month the others is a 409C with closed chamber 4V heads and a 383 sbc. I attached a pick of the car when it had the 331 motor in it.

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92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice car...that thing should really get the wheels up with the new engine.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did spray split the roller blocks? i took the comet out this weekend and cranked it out a little...had been shifting at 6000..it went to 7000 and did'nt nose over,felt stronger at 7000..but don't know about the roller block.
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William Jones
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah the stock block didn't like the spray the car ran 11.30's on motor and with spray it would go tens but it split down the main webbing after about 20 passes on the spray.

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92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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split down the main webbing

Done that too. What I found weird is it didn't hurt a thing but the block. Even the bearings looked good enough to reuse. On the one we had split it looked like the transmission was the only thing that kept it from being 2 complete pieces. Clay

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Splitting the block is a common enough occurence that Bill Mitchell cites it as a reason to buy his War Hawk SBF aftermarket block casting as it is reinforced in the main web and uses a higher nickel content.

Considering how cheap nickel is (about a fifth of the planet is made up of a nickel-iron alloy and is twice as abundant as Silicon (which is basically sand or computer chips), one has to wonder why the factory is so reluctant to use it in all production blocks instead of only truck and HiPerf blocks (All Canadian cast blocks are high nickel content so GM of Canada can afford to do it).

There is a reason of course: a high nickel content block is tougher that a normal cast iron block is. Therefore it is harder to machine and strains tooling causing the bits and points to wear out in only 75% of the time it would normally last. (heaven forbid you have to pay a tool and die maker to resharpen the tooling ahead of schedule). Put enough nickel in the mix and you get stainless steel which goes through tooling 60% faster than mild steel does (and the blocks would last just about forever).

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William Jones
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah the last block split so bad it even split the timing cover the car still went 12.30's LOL when we took it apart I was able to split in to pieces with my bare hands. That rotating assymbly is in another block now it hasn't hurt the internals but it did pepper the bottom of the pistons when it came apart.

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92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We got a assembled short block in from Ford Performance Solutions in Cali last week and they had assembled it with 4 chevy pistons. I told the owner he should have just had me do the whole thing. Now we are waiting on 4 pistons so I can install them and finish this thing off. The owner of FPS said that he was sorry and would send the guy some t-shirst can you believe that crap. What a major fail on there part. They should atleast pay this guy for the labor to put it together since he can't do the work from Cail LOL. I attached some pics of the new pile of crap and the old split block.

P.S somehow the man infiltrated a Ford speacialty shop and snuck in a few unwanted chevy parts. He got me again LOL I will not be aslimulated.

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really, an apology and t-shirts? ugggh....

"The Man" is getting bold with the attempts at assimilation... we must be careful!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




Holy moly! I have heard but this is the first I have seen one in 2 pieces.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stock 5.0L block don't like Nitrous LOL. I had seen them cracked pretty bad but this was the worst. As soon as the Mains and intake were off it came apart. The car was running when he got back to the pits and it still ran a 12.70 like this it popped around the 60ft mark and he kept his foot in it Dumb!

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a front and rear engine plate to hold them together till the next freshen up! Laughing

I know from a cheby guy. Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We got this car running this weekend and it sounds pretty nasty should be a good runner. We will find out this weekend should be able to make some passes with it and get idea of what it is going to run. We never did get a chance to change the rear gear yet so this weekend he will run it with a 3.90 gear. We took it for a 20 mile cruise and all went well except the alternator housing broke in half. We will get that fixed up and replace the shifter cable it has a kink in it and it will be ready to rip down the track.

I will get a video up of it running soon.

Bam

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With that camshaft, it has gotta be nasty at idle. Can't wait to hear some results. Clay
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a track time for this car. This was the first time out with it and he was running Open Comp so we didn't get to run it all out yet but the preliminary best ET was a 6.83 @101 with 1.51 60ft. The timing was 34 degrees he left off the brake at 3500, shifted at 7000 rpm and crossed the line in 2nd gear at 6900 rpm so as you can see he is way off on the gearing (3.89's) and the converter is way to tight. This car will run 6.50's and low 10's for sure with a few more changes and a gear change to 4.56's. Here is a link

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrStang2222#p/u/10/qju_tCdwTI4

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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