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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah! We cheer for the best racer and Smoke 'em Up member. Just have to remember we are doing this for fun.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey AF2 what color did you paint the willys or are you going to keep us in suspense?

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Today it is still gray with a touch of green and that fiber glass color! Laughing
Mums the word! Laughing Laughing

I think I said body work is NOT my favorite job! Embarassed Howard is reminding me!! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I said body work is NOT my favorite job!


i hear ya. it gets really monotonous after a while smoking . i bet you problem is the same as mine....... no matter how bad it sucks, you have to do it RIGHT!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10sec.et wrote:
af2 wrote:
I think I said body work is NOT my favorite job!


i hear ya. it gets really monotonous after a while smoking . i bet you problem is the same as mine....... no matter how bad it sucks, you have to do it RIGHT!!!


I will start a new thread so not to take from William! But you are correct on that statement! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a reminder my Pinks episode is Thursday Aug 7. The all out takes from Gainesville is tonight.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"i like my money wrinkled, that means its been in workin mans hands" Cool

that has to be my favorite episode..... a blind man got to make a pass, a turbo diesel truck made it into the final 16, and your Mustang looks GOOD on tv. too bad about the Vette winning. im not really a Corvette fan (sorry Grand Sport).

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great episode. Lots of cool stuff. The diesel truck was really cool to see. Lots of very close racing. That Mustang looks like it has a pretty good top end pull. Great job and fantastic saying too...Clay
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clay wrote:
Great episode. Lots of cool stuff. The diesel truck was really cool to see. Lots of very close racing. That Mustang looks like it has a pretty good top end pull. Great job and fantastic saying too...Clay


When I saw that the diesel truck was running as fast as us I told my dad we had a good chance of making the show.

The Mach pulls great at the topend now if I could just get it to run the first half of the track as good as the last half I would have a 9 sec car. I had a converter manufacturer watch me run that night and look at my time slips, he told me that the converter was killing me the first part of the track and was be over powered at the topend because it was slipping more than needed. He said he could get me 2-3 tenths more to the 1/8 and about 2 mph at the topend and the car would run around 9.80s with his converter.
What do you guys think? I know for a fact it is to tight for the cam im running it flashes at 3400rpm. My best 60's are when I use footbrake at 2600rpm so the motor can run into the stall.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As well as I can remember, you run one of those large by huge cams. My converter flashed around 4500 on the datalogger with a cam duration in the mid 250's at 0.050" and it was pretty good. I think another 1000 rpm would make a big difference. I don't know how too tight of a converter is slipping too much on the big end however as I'm sure you don't get anywhere near the stall speed again after the launch. When I put the Procharger on, I was almost at the point of driving through the converter that was set up for a 4500 stall while N/A. It would let the motor go to around 6000 - 6500 almost anytime in any gear at any speed - I'm talking 45 mph in high gear, stab it and instant 6000 rpm. Made for an absolute brutal, violent launch, but it was too much for the tire I had and it was slipping too much down track - one pass and the transmission was about to overheat. That's my idea of slipping too much down track, but it sounds like from your description at this point, you just need a little more stall. What are the 60's? I'm guessing running low 10's you should be able to pull low 1.40's to maybe even a high 1.30 with everything perfect. Clay
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our best 60's are 1.45 leaving at 2500 rpm footbrake and you were right we have 270@.050 int and 288@.050 exh my cam guy recommend a 4900 to 5400 stall.

The biggest issue is the starting line and after each shift. Whats funny is on the transbrake I can get 5200 but when I check what it is flashing at I get 3200 to 3400. I also come up with a 7% slippage at the topend. Also we pick up between 26 and 27 mph after the 1/8, usally well setup mid to low 9 sec car picks up that much. I went through about 800 timeslips I had at home to make that assumption. Most converter companies I talked to said that they could give me more torgue mutiplication and stall down low and tighten it up on the big end im not a converter expert but they (continental, redneck, FTI, Ultimate Converter Concepts) say they have the ability to make it loose on the bottom and tighten at the top and they all say I am running through the converter what ever that means. So I will have to spend the money to see if they are telling the truth. I know the right converter for the combination can make a world of difference in most cars but we will see someday when I save my pennies and can afford to buy one LOL. So do you think they are blowing smoke?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if maybe you have a carburation issue. On the brake, you would be at a steady state throttle situation whereas a footbrake launch is a transitional situation. It could be an ignition advance curve problem unless the distrubutor is locked out. 5200 on the brake sounds pretty loose and maybe there is some more to be had with tuning. Just sort of brainstorming ideas - I'm not a converter expert either, and I just have to take what our converter guy gives us - which has been really good so far. Clay
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe its a carb issue since it acts the same regardless on launch rpm on the Tbrake. When it hits it knocks the motor down just like when I shift I drop like 3000rpms at each shift this also explains why it takes off so well after the 1/8 because I am done shifting and it stays in the powerband. They told me the problems I am having are characteristics of having a converter that is not meant to do what I am doing with it the manufacturer said they were suprised its still working but I don't think it will be to long before it goes south. I am running a custom carb for my combination and my o2 readings look good from my wideband when I datalog it stays pretty consistant at around 12.5 to 12.8 and don't get me wrong the car leaves pretty hard and will lift both tires on average 6 to 8 inchs so its not bogging just not getting to the powerband right off the hit. Something is going on weird though because it feels like somthing is holding it back and then it lets loose after my last shift definatley a weird feeling. Oh and the Distributer is locked at 32 degs.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They showed the episode again tonight and it was the first time I have seen it. GREAT job... I thought I had seen this thread so was curious to see if it was you.. Again.. Congrats on a great job.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here!!
Great job William!!!
That diesel was smoken. Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

af2 wrote:
Same here!!
Great job William!!!
That diesel was smoken. Shocked


Yeah that diesel truck hauled ass I was not looking forward to racing him. No offense to anyone but if I would have lost to a Diesel truck I would have been teased relentlessly at work by my troops. LOL

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