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William Jones
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:25 am    Post subject: Update on the motor build Reply with quote

So far it is looking hopeful for getting the Mach1 ready for the Pinks All out in Gainesville in Mar. This is what we have so far. Chime in on any likes dislikes with the combination.

World Man O War block 351W 9.5 deck bored .125 over purchased
Callies magnum xl 4.25 crank clev mains 2.100 rod purchased
ATI super dampner 0 balance purchased
Wiesco custom pistons .250 compression height purchased
CHI aluminum heads sent to be CNCd they will flow 365 cfm @ 700 lift and 260 on the exh purchased
CHI intake with dominator flange purchased
Comp Cams timing set purchased
cometic heads gaskets purchased
Meling oil pump purchased
ARP head studs purchased

NEEDED ITEMS

6.125 rod need help here thinking of callies new rod if they will have them out or GRP as a alternative. Any sugestions?

Mechanical cam cam in the .700 lift range looking to run it from 4000 rpm to 7000 rpm

roller lifters suggestions?

shaft mount rockers T&D

JW flexplate

Need a convertor looking for at least 4500 stall any suggestions?

1050-1150 cfm dominator

MSD pro billet distributor

pushrods

I think thats it, so let me know what you think and any suggestions. It will have 454ci and about 13.8 compression after I shave the heads to 60cc when I get them back. Were are shooting for 10 flat N/A in a 3800lb car with driver.

Thanks Bam

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a solid setup. Oliver makes a good rod that might be up to the task with their Oliver/ARP WSB bolts.

WSB is Worlds Strongest Bolt

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been hearing bad things about oliver rods just breaking for no real reason. So I am kind of leary of that. But the WSB bolts sound good.

Thanks Bam

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92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody have any other suggestions on my missing parts. I am trying to do this right the first time. I hate doing things twice espeacially when it tears up the rest of the stuff.

Thanks Bam

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92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Update on the motor build Reply with quote

William Jones wrote:


NEEDED ITEMS

6.125 rod need help here thinking of callies new rod if they will have them out or GRP as a alternative. Any sugestions?
GRP big time. The Callies have yet to be tested!

Mechanical cam cam in the .700 lift range looking to run it from 4000 rpm to 7000 rpm
www.jonescams.com

roller lifters suggestions?
Isky or Morel


Need a convertor looking for at least 4500 stall any suggestions?
A converter at peak power. Mine is close to 7000

1150 cfm dominator
Will be plenty and not in the gray area


pushrods
The biggest you can put in there! I run a 3/8 because of the squish.



Thanks Bam


Hope it helps!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Continental on the convertor at least 5500 stall. 274/274 110-112 LSA on the cam. Are you going to run steel rods?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you decide to run aluminum.Call MGP he has a better rod then GRP.He is actually the guy who started GRP but left because they would not make changes to production like wanted.I have been running his stuff since 2000 I have over 150 runs on a set of his pro stock style rod.9500 rpm shifts with nitrous.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knarley Darley wrote:
Continental on the convertor at least 5500 stall. 274/274 110-112 LSA on the cam. Are you going to run steel rods?


Still undecided but I would like to run a steel I beam rod. What do you guys think of the Callies compustar H-beam rods? I was waiting for their new I-beams to come out but they are scheduled for Feb but that is pressing time for me.

Later Bam

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wagon train wrote:
If you decide to run aluminum.Call MGP he has a better rod then GRP.He is actually the guy who started GRP but left because they would not make changes to production like wanted.I have been running his stuff since 2000 I have over 150 runs on a set of his pro stock style rod.9500 rpm shifts with nitrous.


If I go aluminum I will look into him thanks for the info. What do a set of rods go for from MGP?

Thanks Bill

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92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would run a good steel rod. At your intended RPM they will be fine. I dont really have a favorite. I just used Scat H beams in a 540 and my 496, but those will only ocasionally see 6500. The one thing I liked about them is they cleared the stock 454 block with a 4.250 stroke. The 540 was a dart block so clearance was not an issue.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knarley Darley wrote:
I would run a good steel rod. At your intended RPM they will be fine. I dont really have a favorite. I just used Scat H beams in a 540 and my 496, but those will only ocasionally see 6500. The one thing I liked about them is they cleared the stock 454 block with a 4.250 stroke. The 540 was a dart block so clearance was not an issue.


Thanks for the input it really helps when you get to talk to you guys and sort a few things out.

Bam

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92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last set a rod I bought were $1000.00
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another good forum about rods. Olivers breaking I think is a rumor more than fact. Anything will break if not put together right or if used for the wrong application.

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5042&highlight=&sid=d07eda509f9bd394471faf147f4d1675

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info Paul. The one guy that said he has seen two oliver rods fail are identical to what my machinst was telling me he had expierienced. I think my combo would be safe running them but man I feel my stomach getting sick when I think about paying that much and then they break.

Bill

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to tempt fate but I have been running them in my 406 since 1995 and not a problem at all....

You would be running a light weight piston in the motor not a heavy slug so I think this would not pose any problem. The cases mentioned were on some motors with heavy slugs and 9500rpm. How fast do you intend on spinning this bad boy?

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