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William Jones
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I have heard of alot of people using them. I wont be turning them more than 7500rpm at the most. So like I said they would probablly be ok. I don't know the weight on the piston yet I should get them in about 3 weeks.

thanks Bill

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William Jones
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another update
Got the Cam ordered and paid for from Camshaft Innovations

Purchased a Canton aluminum oil pan for $670 with pickup and nocthed and welded up my frame so it will fit properly. Not real happy of the fit and finish of the pan the bolt holes are off just a little bit but it will work.

Got my build sheet into Pro Systems for the carb just waiting on cam specs from Camshaft Innovations

The custom Wiseco Pistons came in finally

Decided to stay with stud mount rockers so I got a Probe stud girdle from Woody

Got the water routing to the radiator and all the 12 an fittings

Bad news still waiting on the crank and rods from Callies they should get here middle of Feb I hope!!!

My heads are in the mail according to MPG heads and they are now 232cc up from 218 and flow 358cfm at .750 up from 310cfm but the low lift (.300 and .400) numbers aren't quite as good as I was hoping
here are the numbers they are off some because he just stuffed a valve in them since he wasn't doing the valve job and I didn't send him the valves that were in the heads so the numbers in the low lift areas should be a little better maybe
INT EXH
.300 183 151
.400 242 192
.500 289 208
.600 325 225
.700 350 230
.750 358
So what do you guys think do I have enough head to make 750hp N/A all other things being right?

Well that is it but I have some more purchases coming soon we are starting to get excited.
Later Bam

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92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cam specs? .20 .30 .40 and so on? Glad to see you making progress!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cam is in the mail with the cam doctor sheet when I get the specs I will post them when I get them in. So do you think I have enough head to meet my goal of 750hp I know a basic rule of thumb 2 horse power for every cfm but there is alot of other contibuting factors? AF2

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92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow that fo mo co is gonna move

this is still a cleavor right???
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it is a Clevor and will be 454ci. I wanted the extra inches to move the heavy car. Like Dave always says build more cubes and you won't have to run it as hard. I thought about going big block but I didn't want to add the extra weight to the nose of the car it was a PITA to get it to transfer weight to the wheels with the cleveland in it.

Bam

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My race car heads flowed 358 258 and I made 760 hp at 8500 rpm with 360 inches.I would think you could make that power with those heads.just not at as high of rpm.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto as long as the compression is up there.
Every (good engine) builder likes more(.050+) on NO2 than N/A. The only reason I can see is a complete burn through the squish compared.
That means N/A will be down in my estimation.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My compression is going to be right at 13.8 and my cam was designed for a 6800 rpm shift point I didn't want to turn the motor hard so I could keep the maint costs down.

I am going to attach some pics of my damaged set of heads they are they same model I just had CNC'd. They have a real efficient fast burn chamber. When I first got them I only picked up 2.5 tenths over my Iron 4v heads so I was a little pissed I call the maker and he asked what kind of timing I was running I said 36 total he said try 29 or 28 and you will be happy of course I was a disbeliever until I did it and picked up 5 tenths more (7.5 total) over the 4v. This is why I stayed with flat tops for this build so the chamber could do what it was designed todo. That being said I plan on shaving the heads from 64 to 60cc do you think this will hurt them? Tell me what you think of the chambers. Thanks for the info guys as usual you tell like it is.

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do know shaving can alter flow but.........
in your case will it be for good or bad=hard to tell

bench flow v.s. dyno numbers or 1/4 mile times
personally id go with your train of thought the compression for the cam

now you just have to think of the things shaving heads will alter
like valve length and pushrod length

do you know and machinists who are familiar with these specific heads
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah we have been running these heads for 3 yrs now and have done a few things with them also the tech line from the manufacturer and Jon Kaase have been able to answer any questions I have had so far.

Bam

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

William, those heads are nice! I can't see how milling them to get you're desired compression is going to hinder the flow. It will probably help with the valve angles being close to a BB Chevy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats what I figured just wanted your opinions. I really enjoy reading the input weather its good or bad. You can never have to many knowledgable peoples opinions. Just trying to do this right the first time.

Took some pics of the pistons today I ordered them with vertical gas ports. Then was doing some reading and found that they can get clogged and that side gas porting was better have you ever heard that? I guess its to late now anyway. I will try and get the pics up soon.

Bam

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what would the difference REALLY be????????
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard read that the vertical gas ports are prone to getting clogged not really a problem in a extreme race motor were you are tearing them down often but in motors that stay together for the whole season they can become clogged and not as effective due to carbon build up. But I have no personal expierence on this subject just what I have read.

Bam

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Take the horse out off the barn and let her RUN BABY RUN!!!!!

92 LX 454ci Clevor 9.24@142.53 N/A
71 Mach1 454ci Clevor 10.16@134 N/A 3850lbs race weight "Lost in fire"
03 Cobra Bone stock 12.42
68 Falcon 363ci 10.55@126 N/A
95 GT 363ci 11.08@118 N/A
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