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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: my beefy little 10bolt build.. Reply with quote

havnt posedt on here in a while, but Ill still think this is one of the best tech sites out there!....

Parts list:

precision 3.73's
factory auburn with ARP ring hardware (ebay $275 w/30k)
USA alloy axles (M2 diffs $160 shipped)
MAC rear cover (WS6 store $138)
Raytec solid crush sleeve ($22)
ARP cap stude kit (thunder racing $2Cool
ARP 3 1/2 wheel studs (summit $65)
oil, additives, new pinion bearings, paint $130 est

these are all est prices i don't know exactly what I paid in shipping. Honestly I like to forget about how much I pay for performance parts...

First i pulled the whole POS. it was getting a little too noisy, and the diff sounded like I had a bag of rocks in the posi.


I always thought it lame that the factory didn't coat their rear ends with some kinda paint. mine had 80k on it and looked like shit.


It's a pretty good pattern for a set of used gears, I reused the new/used carrier bearing but switch to a new set of koyo on the pinion. The original timken front pinion bearing was toasted.9making my noise) set backlash to .008


set up with all the ARP goodies


when it came to installing the rear cover i ran into clearance problems between the cap studs and inside lip of the cover. Only toke a couple of minute to fix though.


As posted before the hardware that MAC provides is a 1/4in too short.(lame)
I used my drill press to fix this. using a 3/8 bit to center each bolt hole i lock down the cover in place. Then I would then switch to a 1/2 bit to to deepen the counter sinked bolt hole.


All done after hours of cleaning and building




I think wheel studs on a car just look sexy


All in all a great mod. going from a 3.23 to these 3.73's isn't a huge jump but enough to justify it. The car feels great and doest dog in forth anymore. the gears are dead silent until about 75mph. I can hear a slight howl but only if the windows are up, the cut out is closed, and the radio is off. but who drives like that anyway??

est total spent: $820ish not bad!

Joe

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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think this is one of the best tech sites out there!....

Me too! Stuff like this quick rear end write up are why. I love this site because so many of us do stuff ourselves. Looks great!
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Honestly I like to forget about how much I pay for performance parts...

I absolutely agree with this quote.......Clay

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All in all a great mod. going from a 3.23 to these 3.73's isn't a huge jump but enough to justify it. The car feels great and doest dog in forth anymore. the gears are dead silent until about 75mph. I can hear a slight howl but only if the windows are up, the cut out is closed, and the radio is off. but who drives like that anyway??






i did the same gear change=no change at the track
dont beat yourself up about the whine=you can set the 10 bolt or borg warner up PERFECT and you still hear it howl to some degree if it drives you crazy sound deadner will fix it Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

very nice Cool what did you clean that housing with ?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice Job! Is there a plan for a c-clip eliminator in there too in the future?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul P wrote:
Nice Job! Is there a plan for a c-clip eliminator in there too in the future?


it has rear disc brakes so im not going to need em.. Cool





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very nice what did you clean that housing with ?


a bottle of simple green, wire brush and a bunch of quarters at the local car wash..

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it has rear disc brakes so im not going to need em.. Cool



You might want to re-think you're thinking!. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discs=c-clip eliminators?

No.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if the axle breaks it cant leave the carrier due to the fact that caliper wont let the disc go anywere.

for example: you cant remove the rotor unless you unbolt the caliper from the bracket.... i would still be dangerous but the wheel would still be under the car, rather then flying across the track.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe,
What do you think the car will do when the axle leaves and tries to stop on the disc brake while the other one is still under power? Shocked

Please think about what I said.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="af2"]Joe,
What do you think the car will do when the axle leaves and tries to stop on the disc brake while the other one is still under power? Shocked

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the axle cant leave without the rotor and the rotor cant leave with the caliper attached. (so the axle really has no place to go)

I did do a little research and people have broken axles on f-bodys, one guy used worn c-clips on a gear swap only to have them fall out Shocked.. but the axles kept in the car in all cases, held in place by the brakes..

Im confident that Ill be fine if one lets go and if your lined up next to me Ill understand if you dont wanna race.. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Joe,
What do you think the car will do when the axle leaves and tries to stop on the disc brake while the other one is still under power? Shocked

Please think about what I said.


Damit I edited instead of Quoting!!!!!

Think about what can happen.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya chances are he isnt a roundy round racer
dont mean to make fun just sayin

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has nothing to do with roundy cars.
Funny how the left axle pretty much always breaks.

Take that axle with tire and break it causing the rotor to engage with the pads. The other tire is under full acceleration from that 330 HP Shocked What will happen????
You are going left before you can react!! Period!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all know why C-clip eliminators are on the NHRA specs! Maybe not??
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

af2 wrote:
It has nothing to do with roundy cars.
Funny how the left axle pretty much always breaks.

Take that axle with tire and break it causing the rotor to engage with the pads. The other tire is under full acceleration from that 330 HP Shocked What will happen????
You are going left before you can react!! Period!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all know why C-clip eliminators are on the NHRA specs! Maybe not??


I understand what your saying but it has happened before with little damage. its a floating type caliper so if the disc were to move outward it wont be forced against the pad. it would rub the brake caliper bracket and probally make some horrible noises but I cant really see it locking up like a broomstick stabed into some bike spokes.

like I said Im not really worried about it, the car most likely wont see slicks anyways...

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