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seventy468 Member

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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: Power valve in a holley Double pumper 750 |
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| Someone please explain what a power valve is/does. Keep in mind I am still learning, so be nice! I also see holley offers a power valve block off to get rid of the power valve, for racers? This car is a street strip car. |
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af2 Member

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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Keep it and tune it to the vacuum you run off idle to half throttle. With a cam usually a 5" will do it. |
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seventy468 Member

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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| if you have a back fire threw the carb, does that usually ruin a power valve? and a bad power valve will have what symptoms? |
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10sec.et Member

Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 3100 Location: Houston,Texas 334625.24 points
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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it certainly can ruin the PV. there are kits to prevent damage to the PV with a little check ball and spring. i used to think those little PV saver kits were the greatest thing since sliced bread, until today. i took my 850 DP apart for some "tweaking" and noticed that both check balls were gone from the factory installed kits . the spring and washer were there but i guess my engine has ingested the little check balls . at this point, im thinking ill just keep a couple extra power valves in my tool box. no, im not tearing into the 455 looking for them. _________________
| af2 wrote: | It seems we can look at our magical Balls and come up with a fix?
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MufflerBearings69 Member

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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| seventy468 wrote: | | if you have a back fire threw the carb, does that usually ruin a power valve? and a bad power valve will have what symptoms? |
Bad power valve = dumping fuel
Last time I had one go, the only way to make it home without much issue was to spend a gratuitous amount of time WFO
I can tell you, it was heartbreaking.... hahaha
But yeah, when they get ruptured fuel can just pour out, which will cause a rich condition at most anything but WOT as the PV should be open then anyways...
They sell a thing to test them but really if the carb is not brand spankin new I would put one in if its questionable. The price of the adapter to test them isnt worth it for one carb in my opinion.
Block off plug- if you go that route, keep in mind whichever side of the carb you do this to must be jetted up- the books I have read have suggested something like 8-10 jet sizes up. 99% of the people who have taught me told me to not do that, and to just run the right PV for my vacuum...
idle vacuum reading- divide by 2- round to nearest available value. _________________ Budgets were meant to be broken. |
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lun40119 Member

Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 624 Location: Wisconsin 4738.92 points
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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OP, the power valve supplements the main circuit during tip, and during WOT, or any other time the manifold vacuum drops below the stated value of the pv. They are a great thing, they allow you to tune your part throttle AFR, with the primary jets, and not affect the wot tune. I like to cruise lean, but use the power valve channel restrictors to enrich the main circuit during wot. If you are going to try to tune with the pvcr, it is a good idea to have a wideband, either a handheld or on a chassis dyno. I like to use a chassis dyno. I hope this makes sense, it does in my head. _________________ Jake
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clay Moderator

Joined: 24 Nov 2002 Posts: 3006 Location: South Carolina 310483.27 points
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty much summed up operation but here's a quick way to check it before you put it on the engine. Put the carb on a stand and fill the bowls through the vent tubes. If the valve is ruptured or the gasket is leaking there will be fuel running out of the bottom coming from the vacuum port that leads to the power valve chamber. I have had two power valves really kick my butt. One had threads that weren't cut quite far enough and when the valve snugged down, it hadn't pinched the gasket. Finally found it with a feeler gauge between the gasket and valve. Another one had a nylon gasket and there were 4 indentions where I'm assuming pins had pushed it out of the mold - leaked just enough that the idle mixture screws wouldn't do anything. Clay _________________ I have done so much with so little for so long, I can now do anything with nothing. |
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lun40119 Member

Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 624 Location: Wisconsin 4738.92 points
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Another way to check it on the engine is to make sure it is all the way down into the idle circuit. The turn the idle mixture screws all the way in, if it doesn't quit, that means that the PV is supplementing. If it quits, you are fine.
On a lighter not, I have stopped using the checkballs in the base plate. On my last engine I had a cam in it that was pretty dirty down low. Lots of overlap, anyway long story short reversion at low gramma putt, putt rpms caused the checkball to stick in the baseplate creating a NASTY lean WOT tune. Popcorn anyone!!!!!! _________________ Jake
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10sec.et Member

Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 3100 Location: Houston,Texas 334625.24 points
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| lun40119 wrote: | | On a lighter not, I have stopped using the checkballs in the base plate. |
yeah, me too  _________________
| af2 wrote: | It seems we can look at our magical Balls and come up with a fix?
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nomad239 Newbie
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| TO PICK THE RIGHT PRIMARY PV TAKE A VACUUM READING AT IDLE.GET A PV THAT OPENS 2" LESS THAN THAT VACUUM READING IF YOU ARE RUNNING TWO PV'S THE SECONDERY PV SOULD BE ANOTHER 2" LESS.THIS WILL MAKE GOOD POWER AND DRIVEABILITY AS WELL AS FUEL MILEAGE. |
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robins44 Member

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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad239 wrote: | | TO PICK THE RIGHT PRIMARY PV TAKE A VACUUM READING AT IDLE.GET A PV THAT OPENS 2" LESS THAN THAT VACUUM READING IF YOU ARE RUNNING TWO PV'S THE SECONDERY PV SOULD BE ANOTHER 2" LESS.THIS WILL MAKE GOOD POWER AND DRIVEABILITY AS WELL AS FUEL MILEAGE. |
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squeeezer Member

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 2390 Location: new richmond WI 190516.56 points
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^^^^^^that can be used for a generic starting point
not absolute
some people go with 1 inch lower that idle
some (and i dont get this one) go with 1/2 idle vacuum
if i do it for mileage(you got the wrong carb for that)you drive around with a vacuum gauge taped to your windshield and taylor it to your driving style _________________
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MufflerBearings69 Member

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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| squeeezer wrote: | ^^^^^^^^^that can be used for a generic starting point
not absolute
some people go with 1 inch lower that idle
some (and i dont get this one) go with 1/2 idle vacuum
if i do it for mileage(you got the wrong carb for that)you drive around with a vacuum gauge taped to your windshield and taylor it to your driving style |
What I learn is only as good as the books I read... AS I recall at least 2 books on Holleys I read suggested this calculation.
That's why I come here and ask for the help from all of you with real life experience books establish a foundation but arent the whole story _________________ Budgets were meant to be broken. |
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squeeezer Member

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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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yeah what he said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________
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MufflerBearings69 Member

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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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I came back to make sure I didnt come across wrong- I wasnt upset or trying to argue- just saying, some of the books on the market have some weird crap in them... Just because its published doesnt make it golden right? _________________ Budgets were meant to be broken. |
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