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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Total Seal Gapless rings Reply with quote

anyone ever used these on a nitrous motor ? i have a set for mine but when i asked my machinist, his response was "dont know, its not what i use for nitrous".
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Childs & Albert ZGS rings in the 406 set for NOS. Sprayed it a couple times now not an issue. There are settings for end gap in their instructions for super charged and NOS applications so I would think they will stand up to it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i run them in my 355
with my lil 125 shot

they work
3% leakdown at dyno time
(you would have had to see my bores to understand)

but.........i used the ones the company recomended
2nd ring gapless

its said the second ring (gapless) has ring flutter problems
i cannot confirm or deny

if i get a set again......and i will ill get the top ring gapless and still spray it my2 cents

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Total Seal Gapless rings Reply with quote

10sec.et wrote:
i have a set for mine but when i asked my machinist, his response was "dont know, its not what i use for nitrous".


Why is what I would ask. If he can't give you an answer I can give you a couple of phone#'s here to call. A couple guys I talk to are dam sharp on N2O.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Total Seal Gapless rings Reply with quote

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10sec.et wrote:
i have a set for mine but when i asked my machinist, his response was "dont know, its not what i use for nitrous".


Why is what I would ask. If he can't give you an answer I can give you a couple of phone#'s here to call. A couple guys I talk to are dam sharp on N2O.


he uses the Hellfire rings for nitrous motors. he simply has never used the gapless for nitrous and couldnt tell me with 100% certainty. if i get a chance in the next day or so, ill call you for those numbers.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i found out, after talking to my machinist, that the rings i have have a Moly top ring so that wont live too long with the ammount of nitrous im going to spray. hes going to call Total Seal tomorrow and see what our options are. if it doesnt work out then i will be going with the Hellfire rings.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why is chromolly a bad thing for nitrous????
is iron better???
or should i ask a big shot of nitrous...( i suppose above a 2 hundo shot)

i didnt know high cylinder pressure was bad for molly rings Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

squeeezer wrote:
why is chromolly a bad thing for nitrous????
is iron better???
or should i ask a big shot of nitrous...( i suppose above a 2 hundo shot)

i didnt know high cylinder pressure was bad for molly rings Cool



It flat out kills them.

The Hellfire might be overkill but for the $ you're best bet on rings. Do I hear Insurance??

Please make sure you're machinist knows the RA on the bore with those rings.
I have never run them but I do know the hone has to be to their specs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

squeeezer wrote:
why is chromolly a bad thing for nitrous????
is iron better???
or should i ask a big shot of nitrous...( i suppose above a 2 hundo shot)

i didnt know high cylinder pressure was bad for molly rings Cool


according to what i found while researching rings, the Moly coating starts flaking off with anything more than a 150 shot. actually, i think i have Moly rings in the motor im currently running with a 150 shot. guess ill find out when i tear it down. ill have mt slicks soon so im back to the track as soon as it cools off a bit Burn Out

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

af2 wrote:

Please make sure you're machinist knows the RA on the bore with those rings.
I have never run them but I do know the hone has to be to their specs.


ill ask him. he normally uses Hellfire rings for nitrous motors, and should already know, but double checking never hurts Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="af2"]
squeeezer wrote:
why is chromolly a bad thing for nitrous????
is iron better???
or should i ask a big shot of nitrous...( i suppose above a 2 hundo shot)


I have never run them but I do know the hone has to be to their specs.









that goes for any ring manufacturer actually

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